Career Thread

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The thing that is really hard, and really amazing, is giving up on being perfect and beginning the work of becoming yourself.

—Anna Quindlen

 

Talent does not exist. It is a concept to rationalize the unseen amounts of work that translate into success. The first step is to acknowledge that you are not special and that motivation is fleeting and unreliable. Discipline, however, is unyielding. Force yourself to follow through. Can't do a whole run? Do half of one. Don't have time to go to the gym to lift? Do push ups. Any action is better than inaction. Discomfort is needed in your life, embrace it with your whole heart. 

When I was in middle school l used to draw every day and everything that crossed my path of curiosity. I was remarked as the next Claude Monet, with colleagues and teachers praising my talent. They were praising my talent. In their mind I was born with the brush in my hands and the techniques in my head. The truth was that I was only drawing. I didn't waste my time searching for articles and the best blog on the internet with advices for drawing: that's a form of procrastination. Do you want to be a poet? Write some verses now. Do you want to get your 6 abs pack? Do some sit ups now. Do you want to invent the Warp Drive? Teach yourself Classical Mechanics first, do not engage in brain porn on the internet with theories about our current Kardashev scale. Do not expect to be the President of the World if you can't speak to your clerk at the store. 

Humans are habitual creatures, constant little effort on a daily basis gathers in success. Luck did not make the Napoleon Bonaparte with common ancestry emperor, but discipline and intense work did.

The same principle is discussed in Cal Newport's book, So Good They Can't Ignore You. Work gives you results. He adds that following the mainstream advice to follow your passion is wrong. Passion is not born of anything to have it in your first day of life. It is born out of competence, out of skill. You will hate the first hours of writing, the first hours of drawing, the first hours of dance and the first hours of public speaking. Why? Because it is work. Work is not meant to give you dopamine, but the result is. 

https://www.onetonline.org is a site that helps you asses your skills and flourish in the labor market. 

https://www.mynextmove.org has the test for career interests based on the model of Holland Code. If you do not have any skills, don't worry: everyone starts from the bottom. Just see what will be your options according to your interests. 

The thread is open for discussions on the job market, career advices, career tests and so on.

 A final note: It is good to have fun on SA:MP, but do not forget we have a real life out here that awaits us and it doesn't matter how intelligent you are or how good looking you are, you can overcome your challenges.

You are not right. Talent does exist. How can you sing if you are not talented for it, for example? Or other things too. For example programming. I don't know anything about programming languages and I'm sure that even if I try learning it, I won't manage to make some bigger success because I'm not talented for it.

On the other hand, I'm talented for some other things so it's better to go in that direction instead.

3 minutes ago, TeodoraMk said:

You are not right. Talent does exist. How can you sing if you are not talented for it, for example? Or other things too. For example programming. I don't know anything about programming languages and I'm sure that even if I try learning it, I won't manage to make some bigger success because I'm not talented for it.

 

On the other hand, I'm talented for some other things so it's better to go in that direction instead.

Singing is the training of vocal chords. How skillful someone is has little to due with their "talent". Some people assume they are not good with math and they are brilliant on writing in their native language. The fact is that they communicate in their native language every day from their birth, so they practice a skill. But they don't do daily math problems for fun. 

No. I've learnt math for ages at school and never got interested or good in it, while some classmates could easily solve most of the math problems without putting any significant effort. It means they got a talent for math.

13 minutes ago, TeodoraMk said:

No. I've learnt math for ages at school and never got interested or good in it, while some classmates could easily solve most of the math problems without putting any significant effort. It means they got a talent for math.

A person might start with a slight advantage called intelligence, but that is not talent. When you speak about their results on math, you speak about their work. They didn't get a predisposition for math, but tried harder, unlike you. Interest, as you called, is a major factor in learning, but interest ≠ talent. In my country a high school student diagnosed with Down Syndrome passed the baccalaureate exam with seven, the curriculum containing math. It equals on 1050 points on a SAT exam from the United States of America.

So you wanna say that those who aren't talented for math aren't intellegent? They are maybe intellegent and talented for something else.

Read again my sentence and you will hopefully understand, I'm not doing 5th grade phrase analysis. 

"A person might start with a slight advantage called intelligence, but that is not talent."

Intelligence ≠ talent.

talent = (someone who has) a natural ability to be good at something, especially without being taught;

intelligence = the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations; also the skilled use of reason; the ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one's environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria (such as tests);

How can it be work when little kids sing good? Examples:

Especially the first one who, when he sang this song, was only 5-6 y/o. For the 11 y/o we can say that he worked on something already, but the 5 y/o?

Not only for singing. The 3-4 y/o little kids who are good actors in movies/tv series? You wanna say that they practised so much and became such good actors on such a young age? Yes it was probably worked with them and they got taught on some things but they are born with such a talent. Naturally talented for acting. Put some 30 y/o who isn't talented for acting but for programming let's say (an example, I'm not saying you can't be talented for both) next to a 4 y/o talented actor and you'll see big difference. Same goes for other professions too.

43 minutes ago, TeodoraMk said:

No. I've learnt math for ages at school and never got interested or good in it, while some classmates could easily solve most of the math problems without putting any significant effort. It means they got a talent for math.

"I've learnt math for ages at school and NEVER GOT INTERESTED OR GOOD IN IT."

It doesn't mean that they got a talent for math. They like math and they work to get better at it. Take a male math teacher for example. At first sight, you have the inclination to say that he is talented when you see all the problems he can solve, no? That teacher held a lot of sessions and that's why he got so good at it. Talent = skill + intelligence.

Another example is Einstein. Was he talented at physics? No. He loved physics. He loved math. He questioned himself a lot and that's why he was what he was, and still is. 

You said that programmers are talented. They are not. I am learning programming at the moment and I like it and I have more interest in it than others, that is why I will be good at it some day, because I love to do that thing.

Let's talk about a good roleplayer. You can't say that a good roleplayer was born with /me, /ame and /do placed in his mind. As I said, talent is skill plus intelligence.

Give concrete examples of 3-4 y/o little kids that show acting qualities that require work, or what do you call "talent", as commitment, confidence, physical skills and insight into his characters. The 30 y/o programmer you're stereotyping also doesn't have better relationship skills, genetics and the connections the 3-4 y/o actors have. 

https://theconversation.com/stop-obsessing-over-talent-everyone-can-sing-74047 

All is work. All is practice. All is time. Even if society and mainstream media wants us to think the other way, so we can achieve nothing.

Not every good roleplayer who knows the rules to the fullest and follows them is creative.

Not every creative roleplayer is good in all the aspects of roleplay.

For example, me myself. I'm a really creative roleplayer, but if you put me in PD SWAT division, I wouldn't know how to properly handle it. Does this make me less good than the roleplayers who are good for SWAT? No. A friend of mine is a great SWAT operator and he's been one on multiple gaming communities, but he's not so creative when it comes to casual, passive roleplay. Does this mean that he's a better roleplayer than me? Or worse? No. We're good in different parts of roleplay. 

@Wellesley I don't quite understand your post. Not everyone can sing good. Tell me, how come those small kids sing so good without any working on their voice? The answer is simple, they are born talented. Or else how, explain to me?

I didn't get the part about the actors neither. There are small kids who provide us with great acting performance. You can find such examples in some movies.

As long as you're interested in something, you'll learn how to do it.

I.e I'm not interested in maths therefore I suck at it. It's not about talent or anything. And how's a school subject a talent anyway? (maybe drawing, yeah ) A talent's the ability to do something that not everybody is able to. ( singing, being good at sports and so on )

Why are you even arguing over some God's work lel