Regular Drug Names

I think I should make clear since I'm coming off really contrary in all these posts I make, I'm not just here to rag on this server.  I'm really, really hopeful for it and I want it to succeed.  I want it to be the best it can be, and I just feel like this way would make it better.

Just now, Zenophobia said:

I think I should make clear since I'm coming off really contrary in all these posts I make, I'm not just here to rag on this server.  I'm really, really hopeful for it and I want it to succeed.  I want it to be the best it can be, and I just feel like this way would make it better.

4 hours ago, Anselmi said:

Given the 'update' about drug names, it sounds to me like they want to operate a casual roleplay server that panders to the kind of people that you would typically find occupying Verona Mall on LS-RP - as opposed to an actual roleplay server (or as DamianC says; "stray away from a simulation").

2 hours ago, Anselmi said:

So, you have a target audience in mind. Evidently not the people who want to immerse themselves in their character and roleplay.

I wasn't going to involve myself in this thread because I really don't care what kind of drug names there will be, but--

You guy? Fuck you even saying? These people that are occupying the mall know much more about roleplay and realism than you. And what matters more - are nicer than you. And besides, you have 6 posts in total on this forum, half of them are complaining about things. F'real though. Some of the people SAMP carries... And sorry to break it to you, but if you can't immerse yourself just because X thing is not your way, then you are not a good roleplayer.

25 minutes ago, TeodoraMk said:

 

I wasn't going to involve myself in this thread because I really don't care what kind of drug names there will be, but--

 

You guy? Fuck you even saying? These people that are occupying the mall know much more about roleplay and realism than you. And what matters more - are nicer than you. And besides, you have 6 posts in total on this forum, half of them are complaining about things. F'real though. Some of the people SAMP carries... And sorry to break it to you, but if you can't immerse yourself just because X thing is not your way, then you are not a good roleplayer.

Can we stay on task and not derail from the conversation.

What difference does it make whether you call a drug with a different name than the real life name? If anything, it sounds more fun and more immerseful. 

@mattm

Just now, TeodoraMk said:

What difference does it make whether you call a drug with a different name than the real life name? If anything, it sounds more fun and more immerseful. 

 

@mattm

Explain to me how a name like "Zap" or "Wizz" will make drug dealing more "immerseful" then using the real name for the drug.

The difference is because with the change of the name also comes changes in the effects and now It isn't a nickname it's a different thing entirely.

There is a well documented history for the consequences and effects drugs give, drug dealing requires knowledge of what exactly you're selling.

That's hard to do when you're dealing with something as vague as the fictional drugs R* use(d) (they currently use real drug names).

How am I supposed to know what "Spank" does, the side effects, what it does to my body? I'm not, It's going to be set up so that every individual on the server can roleplay it being whatever they want and a large part of the playerbase thinks that's lame and sucky. That's the problem.

@mattm 

I've no idea how it's gonna work but I suppose that if there's fictional drugs, then there's gonna be fictional effects too that the drug dealer roleplayers will be able to learn. Same way you learned the irl drug effects. You read about them. Or there's gonna be the same well known effects, just different names. I dunno.

There's a certain grittiness people play for. You don't get that when you role play selling Wizz, Spunk, or Toilet Cleaner or whatever the fuck.

Also,

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These people that are occupying the mall know much more about roleplay and realism than you.

They really don't, but that's beside the point. I just wanted to let you know you were wrong.

I think part of the plan is to not have an emphasis on tedious drug roleplay, where everyone wants to be a dope dealer and nobody wants to be a user. I personally don't think it's immersion breaking, because as Damian initially said in his post, you aren't limited to calling it by name IC. And of course, the drugs would have direct similarities and possibly even be a slang name of the real life counterpart. If they were to be named cocaine or meth scriptwise, people would still be calling it blow/snow/powder or crank/dope IC, so why does it matter so much? Nobody is being limited by the script, and this also gives the developers more flexibility with scripting the effects, rather than being forced to recreate the real effects, which is pretty damn hard with the tools they have.

On the other hand, though, if the majority of the community thinks it's immersion breaking, and people truly think that players will be driven away by it, it makes no sense to not give the people what they want. The hardcore drug/illegal roleplayers would be pissed off by it to the point where they might not even want to play here, so it may be in the best interest of the server to just call them by their names. Therefore, I am in support of this suggestion. Also, it is a lot harder to roleplay around a drug with no history or information on it as it has been completely made up. With the real drugs coming into play, it's a lot easier to replicate the effects. I think we could find a common ground by implementing additional fictional drugs from the canon, such as Spank, Wiz, and Zap, with different effects to make things more interesting and as I stated earlier, give the devs some flexibility to come up with something cool for us.

Sorry if this post was a bit confusing. Trying my best to understand both sides. But if pretty much everyone wants the real names, give it to em.

28 minutes ago, TeodoraMk said:

@mattm 

 

I've no idea how it's gonna work but I suppose that if there's fictional drugs, then there's gonna be fictional effects too that the drug dealer roleplayers will be able to learn. Same way you learned the irl drug effects. You read about them. Or there's gonna be the same well known effects, just different names. I dunno.

AFAIK there won't be fictional effects.  I don't think I would play if there were.

17 minutes ago, Highwire said:

 If they were to be named cocaine or meth scriptwise, people would still be calling it blow/snow/powder or crank/dope IC, so why does it matter so much?

The same argument can be named with fictional drugs. Why call it Zoom-Zoom or Spank if everyones just going to call it Meth or Cocaine

8 hours ago, DamianC said:

As I said before I knew it was going to be a controversial move but it's a step in where I'm taking this server. What you're saying is not incorrect at all, Bospy, and I'm sure you and many others are able to keep a sane head on yourself when around real drug names. I'm uncomfortable with the culture it invites and the cloud it puts over a server. 

I can respect this decision and won't continue to argue the point if this is the case. My only wish in this case, really, is to have the names be somewhat analogous to the real life thing as with the names I suggested to you - that is, somewhat vague real life nicknames or less-commonly used nicknames like "snow" or "rock". I think the line many people are willing to go is the fictional path with stuff like "toilet cleaner" or "zoom-zooms". Of course, don't take it as a demand - it's a suggestion, and the people in this thread acting disrespectful by no means represent my viewpoint here. Compromises can definitely be made in any case, and this is a minuscule issue to be worked up about so long as people are permitted to call them what they want/law enforcement can use "official" scientific names and the rules support this. I urge you not to take this thread as me attempting, as Zenophobia put it, to "rag" on the server as other people in here have, as I'm very excited to play and try it out.

I hope the ability to discuss things freely and make contrarian suggestions counter to official stances continues, of course. I feel the best means of learning is by challenging pre-established ideas. This was always a point of concern at other communities, and your official position so far has been much better than others I have seen in the past. As MM pointed out, however, if there was a "roadmap" of sorts it'd be ideal to see what exactly the plans are. People are very thoroughly interested. This isn't gamebreaking or quit-worthy for me.

From experience under Damian it’s his way or the high way so to speak. The drugs are gonna be fictional unless maybe a mass amount of players vote against. Anyone who’s for the use of fictional drugs is either 

1 a pure legal rper.

2 a huge nut suck up

Bro im not trying to look at "50 grams of wizz" In my imventory lmao.. Oh well

What's next, will you be declaring that guns shall be henceforth referred to as boom-boom-sticks in game (presumably to be more R* friendly)?

I didn't realise that referring to drugs as their actual names was too controversial. But at least we've established what kind of server that this is going to be.

Judging by your entire posting history you're the exact person I don't want here. You're getting the idea I guess.

45 minutes ago, Anselmi said:

What's next, will you be declaring that guns shall be henceforth referred to as boom-boom-sticks in game (presumably to be more R* friendly)?

 

I didn't realise that referring to drugs as their actual names was too controversial. But at least we've established what kind of server that this is going to be.

 

 

Make yourself a favour and leave the server if you don't like it. It's funny to see how some people are posting only to complain and are using this thread to display negativity. With exception of Bospy and few others who really forwarded constructive criticism. 

Fictional names for the drugs would only bring much more fun and would immerse me even more. There's no issue.

Not a fan of Damian's plan, I'm not here to bash though. However.

People like to roleplay in a hardcore environment, like it or not. If you can't handle the fact people are calling drugs by their real names rather than unrealistic names, than you're free to leave the RP scene (just like how people do with disturbing roleplay).

Sorry, @DamianC but I nor the majority of this community don't think this one's a good call :/

2 minutes ago, TeodoraMk said:

Fictional names for the drugs would only bring much more fun and would immerse me even more. There's no issue.

Clearly, people disagree and obviously think different from you. The fact that this topic exists means that there is blatantly an issue.

I value realism in a roleplay game - hence why I've stuck around on SA-MP for so long; it's the closest I can find that emulates real life. A lot of other people feel the same way. Kicking about with people pedaling "wizz" (which should be an in character nickname for the drug, not an official name for it) will break immersion for me.

DamianC has already said that he's straying away from the "simulation", which certainly means that it isn't the server for me; as he already personally said. I was of the opinion that the server was going to be something that strives to provide high quality roleplay - evidently not.

I will make one final post about this matter and the server in general to get everyone on the same page and or help people to understand just exactly where you're at right now. As I said before I am not nor am I ever trying to be your savior from whatever roleplay server you're running from, be it LS-RP or the many other roleplay servers you feel are beneath you. I'm not here to cater towards absolutely anyone, I may have a specific vision in mind for this server, but neither I or Rehasher are going to sit on the forums or in Discord modeling this server to be anything but what we have in mind already. Feedback is nice but we don't need a cabin full of captains.

I managed and worked on LS-RP for years, eight years to be exact. I witnessed the highs and lows and took it places I could only dream of before. It was amazing being apart of it but in an instant it was over. Everything I worked on was dismissed as if I was nothing and to harden the blow it was welcome by actual cheers, approval, and worst of all silence from a majority of people. It hurt, and it was something I had to grieve and get over for literally a year. I'm blessed now and I love my life and I wouldn't change a thing about what happened but it doesn't mean the past didn't hurt.

I'm in a different stage in my life and I still have a lot of tendencies where I have to check myself. I am not nor will I ever be the easiest person to deal with and I'm actually putting in measures to not only keep staff in check with the community but myself in general. Because everyone is in this together in some sort of measurement, even the people sitting around shitposting. But I am certain of one thing, when it comes to the vision of this server it's based off a lot of past reasons which I'm very unapologetic about.

I don't care about your issues with LS-RP or what ever other roleplay servers you feel you're better than. Work out whatever festering issues you have in your heart towards these servers over there. To alot of you I'm going to be that same Damian you had a problem with before, I'm not here to make some sort of amends with you or to cater towards your sick obsession of being around me. I do. Not. Care. Take the post however context you want to be completely honest and run with it far from here.

It's pretty clear the type of people welcomed here and it will become even more clear as each month passes. As I said before the drug thing is merely an example of the atmosphere this server will be providing. If this server doesn't exactly match the one scene in Sopranos you watched over and over please let me LINK you a server where you can call home w w w. l s - r p. c o m. Have a nice day!

To the people still on board we will keep it moving from here.